Welcome to another edition of a series that I like to call Did You Know?. Inspired a little by the Nostalgia Critic's "What You Never Knew" series, this series will allow me to share with you some interesting tidbits, behind-the-scenes information, and fun facts about an animated movie or TV series. Because I like sharing new information with people.
So, Hercules. I've talked about the film before on my blog - well, specifically, I've looked at the spin-off TV series that it spawned. At the beginning of that post, I talked a little about the film's being a black sheep of sorts for Disney. I think it mainly stems from the fact that saying it's accurate to the Greek myths is like saying that pigs have the ability of flight. Regardless, there are a lot of people - myself included - that actually like the movie.
I've already told you about the cancelled direct-to-video sequel, Hercules II: The Trojan War. You probably don't need to be reminded that Scar from The Lion King makes a cameo. And if you didn't pick up that "Air Herc" campaign is a reference to Nike's "Air Jordan" campaign, I'm guessing you were living under a rock for most of the 1990s (or maybe you just weren't born yet when the "Air Jordan" campaign was popular, like me). But did you know any of THIS?
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Concept art for Hercules and the Hydra. |
1) Animator Joe Haidar is the one who came up with doing Hercules as a Disney movie. After pitching the idea, he hoped that he would get a supervising position on the film. He did not - in fact, he didn't work on the film at all.
2) When Gerald Scarfe was brought on as the film's production designer, Disney was apparently frightened of him at first. "Partly because of my drawings, and partly because they thought I was going to be cross with them for not being able to draw like me," he said in an interview. "But I felt these people were the top of their world and they might just say 'Shove off. Who are you?' to me."
Gerald initially considered basing the main character on a young Paul Newman or Elvis Presley. Yep, Elvis Presley as Hercules. What a mental image THAT is...
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Concept art for Hercules and Philoctetes. |
3) Andreas Deja, Hercules' supervising animator, said in regards to Gerald Scarfe's work on the film, "When I first came on the movie, Gerald had done a few drawings and I thought, 'my God, this stuff is wonderful and wild but how am I going to animate it?' 'Where are the joints and how can you make this stuff move in a believable way?' But you just roll up your sleeves and try it. Then you find a middle ground where you have your Disney experience and you take on this new look and it becomes a fun mix. Gerald was a joy to work with because he loved what we did. He had also done some animation in the past so he knew the problems that we were up against."
4) The film's directors, John Musker and Ron Clements, make a cameo during the scene where Hercules is pulling the hay wagon into the marketplace.
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This is them. |
5) Ron and John's pal Howard Ashman was an inspiration on the decision to have gospel music. John explained on a now-deleted Howard Ashman tribute website that when trying to figure what musical approach would work for the story, he thought back to how, whenever they visited New York, they would always ask Howard what show he recommended seeing. On a 1988 trip, Howard suggested they see Gospel of Colonus, saying that it was the best thing on Broadway at the time.
For those unaware, Gospel of Colonus was a show created by Lee Breuer and composer Bob Telson, a take on Sophocles' Greek tragedy Oedipus at Colonus (the very same Oedipus who gets a reference in Hercules - Hercules mentions that he and Meg went to see a play about him). The play had a black Pentecostal preacher and his choir tell the story of Oedipus. John never wound up seeing the play (although years later he did see a production in Los Angeles), but he did check out the cast album while Hercules was in development. According to John, "It seemed to suggest a way to approach the music in our movie. It seemed appropriate to have a Greek chorus tell us the story, this being, after all, the story of a Greek demigod. And who better than the Muses, the goddesses who inspired art, literature, and science to be this Greek chorus? And since our chorus was to sing about the exploits of ‘the gods’, having them sing gospel, a style of music that celebrates ‘God,’ seemed appropriate. It was a short step from there to seeing them as an all girl group like the Supremes, and have them musically bridge scenes, do exposition, comment on action, and celebrate the exploits of our mythic hero."
When they pitched the idea to Alan Menken, he was concerned that the Muses might come off as a bit too similar to Crystal, Ronette and Chiffon from Little Shop of Horrors (which, of course, Howard also had a hand in). He suggested doing Hercules in a more "classical" style a la Candide, but Ron and John were worried that the material would become "stiff and inaccessible" as past handling of Greek mythology in film had been. They felt a gospel approach to the music would make the movie more fun. Alan eventually relented.
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Concept art for Megara. |
6) Donny Osmond was considered to do Hercules' singing voice, but after his audition they decided that he wasn't quite right for the character.
7) In fact, a LOT of different people auditioned or were considered to voice characters. Brendan Fraser auditioned to voice Hercules. Anne Heche auditioned for Meg. Rod Steiger auditioned for Zeus. Richard Lewis was Ron and John's first choice for Panic.
Danny DeVito was the filmmakers' first choice for Philoctetes, but he wouldn't read for the part. Ed Asner, Ernest Borgnine, Dick Latessa, and Red Buttons all auditioned (as he was leaving, Red guessed that Ron and John would eventually give the part to Danny DeVito). Ultimately, Danny agreed to do Phil - he didn't read for it but was interested.
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More concept art for Hercules and Phil. |
As for Hades, they initially wanted Jack Nicholson to do his voice (he also offered to voice Phil), but he turned it down because he wanted Disney to give him participation in the merchandising, which they were unwilling to do. Michael Ironside, Terrence Mann, Ron Silver, James Coburn, Ron Steiger, Kevin Spacey, Martin Landau, William Shatner and Phil Hartman all tried out for the role. Nik Ranieri, the character's supervising animator, suggested Frank Sinatra. Even Jerry Lewis was considered. At some point John saw Robert Evans, the producer of Love Story and Chinatown, being interviewed by Charlie Rose and started thinking about casting him as Hades. When he suggested the idea to Michael Eisner, he replied, "Evans?! He would be great! He IS the devil! Well, actually, David Geffen is the devil, but Robert Evans is right behind him!" So Ron and John met with Robert, who was interested in the part and wanted to base his performance off of mobster Lucky Luciano, with whom he'd had experiences that were "laden with threat and fear". He came into the studio to record dialogue, but it soon became apparent that Robert wasn't much of an actor. As John put it, "He gave it a Herculean effort, but in truth, Robert Evans plays pretty much one character and it’s one that he invented and for which he writes all the lines: Robert Evans."
More auditions were held, and James Woods was among those who auditioned, playing Hades as... well, the character we got in the finished movie. John Lithgow was cast, but they didn't feel he was bringing enough energy to the character. Eventually, they decided on James Woods.
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Concept art for Hades (and Pain). |
Even Thalia, the muse of comedy, was originally going to be voiced by Nell Carter. John explained, "We generally are reluctant to cast people who don’t come in to read. We like to hear what people will do with the material, something not always possible to anticipate based on past performances. We loved Nell’s singing in Ain’t Misbehavin' and her TV work was very funny. And she wouldn’t audition." Regardless, they cast her, and when she came in for the first recording session, trouble began immediately. "She did not take well to direction. If we suggested ‘faster’ she went slower. If we said ‘bigger’ she got smaller. She seemed very defensive, out of sorts, and ironically (there’s that word again) for a woman playing the bubbly muse of comedy, unfunny. She was concerned that we were saying unkind things about her in the booth. In truth we were thinking them, although we really were scrambling, trying to find some way to unlock her 'funny'." After recasting the character, they found out that Nell had reportedly declared bankruptcy that week, and also struggled with substance issues. Make of that what you will...
8) The Fates tell Hades that "in eighteen years precisely, the planets will align ever-so-nicely" and we see the planets aligning... but there are only six of them. This is because the Greeks were only aware of five planets plus Earth which they could see with the naked eye.
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Concept art of the Muses. |
9) According to Nik Ranieri, Eric Goldberg was originally supposed to animate Hades and Chris Buck was supposed to animate Phil. Then Eric decided he didn't want to animate Hades, and Chris Buck left Disney. So Eric jumped at the chance to be Phil's supervising animator, and Nik was asked to do Hades.
10) When Hermes presents Zeus and Hera with a bouquet of flowers, it's a reference to the logo of FTD Florists, which features Hermes - or, as he's called in Greek, Mercury.
11) Charlton Heston provided the film's opening narration. When the filmmakers asked if he was okay with the lines as written, he said that he had an issue with one - specifically, "You go, girls." He thought they had the grammar wrong for that line and suggested that it instead be "Go ahead, young lady." The filmmakers just thought there was comedy to be had from hearing somebody who played Moses say "You go, girls."
12) Pegasus uses his feathers to emulate a peacock when Zeus says that he has the brain of a bird. In Greek mythology, the peacock was a sacred animal to Hera.
13) When Pain and Panic are feeding baby Herc the potion that'll turn him mortal, Pain says, "Here you go, kid. A little Grecian formula." For those unaware, Grecian formula is a real life hair product that's used to color grey hair.
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Concept art of Pain and Panic. |
14) In the original myths, Pain and Panic actually worked for Ares, the God of War, not Hades. He had four servants - Pain, Panic, Famine and Oblivion (which John Musker once quipped "sounds like a terrible law firm"). The filmmakers decided to use Pain and Panic in the movie because they thought they sounded like the perfect names for Hades' sidekicks.
15) When Hades says "Guys, relax. It's only half-time.", he's not just referring to how Hercules hasn't taken out the Hydra yet - he says it exactly at the 46-minute mark, the halfway point of the 92-minute long movie. And by the way, since this article has thirty-one facts about the movie in it, by being in the fifteenth spot this fact is at (more or less) the halfway point in the article. Aren't I clever?
16) Y'know that gag in "Zero to Hero" where Hercules and Pegasus fly by a constellation of Marilyn Monroe? Well, originally, the scene had constellations of Ariel and Sebastian from The Little Mermaid, but it was removed because it distracted test audiences (they were too busy going "Hey, that's Ariel and Sebastian!" to pay attention to the rest of the song).
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More concept art. |
17) When the two boys (who, spoiler alert, are actually Pain and Panic in disguise) are trapped under the rock, one of them yells, "Somebody call IXII!". "IX-I-I" is "911" in Roman numerals.
18) At one point during the song "I Won't Say I'm in Love", there's a reference to the iconic Disney Parks attraction the Haunted Mansion. Specifically, at one point the Muses turn into the singing busts from the ride:
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Which one's Thurl Ravenscroft? |
19) Two prior Disney characters inspired Eric Goldberg's design for Phil. Those two characters were Grumpy from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and Bacchus from Fantasia. Danny DeVito himself also inspired the character's look (a lot of people have joked that he looks like Eric Goldberg, too).
20) Hercules and Pegasus leaving their handprints (well, HOOFprints in Pegasus' case) in concrete is an obvious reference to Grauman's Chinese Theater, but notice that Hercules adds the words "To Sid" to his handprints. This is a reference to Sid Grauman, the founder of the Chinese Theater.
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Does this mean that Sid Grauman was around in Ancient Greece? |
21) Hercules' "Grecian Express" credit card featured during the "Zero to Hero" segment is an obvious parody of American Express. Don't leave Thebes without it!
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No wonder Doug Walker doesn't like the movie - this gag probably gave him flashbacks to the "Bat Credit Card". |
22) When Hades and Hercules make their deal (that Herc has to give up his strength for twenty-four hours so Hades can unleash the Titans and take over Mount Olympus, but if Meg gets hurt Herc gets his strength back), Hades shakes Hercules' hand with his left. Left handedness is associated with being evil - apologies to all you lefties out there - and shaking with your left hand is seen as rude.
23) It took a while for the filmmakers to figure out what Hades' punishment should be. Barry Johnson posted some gag drawings depicting ideas that were considered on Instagram - Hades being reduced to a used chariot salesman or the Underworld ferryman, becoming the janitor at the museum we see at the start of the movie, and getting locked in the Titans' pit with Pain and Panic. Eventually, they settled on having Hercules punch Hades into the River Styx, where he is attacked by the vengeful souls.
24) Some of the twelve labors from the original myth are included in the film - specifically, during the song "Zero to Hero", Hercules has to fight an Erymanthian boar, a Stymphalian bird, and a Nemean lion (who may or may not be Scar from The Lion King), which he also did as part of the twelve labors.
25) Speaking of the myth, at one point Hera (who in the original myth was the villain) sent down two snakes to kill Hercules, only for him to beat them up. Pain and Panic's shapeshifting into snakes is a reference to that.
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A t-shirt presumably once worn by someone who attended the world premiere of the film in New York. |
26) The shooting star that Hercules sees at one point during "Go the Distance"? Some have theorized that it's Aladdin and Jasmine flying over Greece on their magic carpet ride. But according to Ron Clements and John Musker, the star is actually Pegasus watching over Herc (Hercules did meet Aladdin in an episode of his TV series, for what it's worth).
27) One of the most frequent criticisms Hercules receives is that it's really, really inaccurate to the myths. Ron Clements defended this in the film's press kit - "We discovered that there wasn't just one definitive version of the Hercules legend, but many, many different stories. He became such an incredibly popular hero that, in fact, a lot of other stories about other heroes got turned into Hercules stories. He was so popular that they took the earlier myths and reinvented them."
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Do you remember the tie-in plates from McDonald's? Question - could you eat off these? Were they microwave-safe? |
28) I had to share this tidbit from Nik Ranieri... Hades was inspired, at least in his mannerisms and dialogue, by Jeffrey Katzenberg, who left Disney before the film's release (reasons include his completely ignoring Robin Williams' wishes while promoting Aladdin and his meddling with the production of Toy Story [he's the guy responsible for the infamous "Black Friday" reel]). As you probably know, Jeffrey helped found DreamWorks.
At a recording session for the scene near the end of the film where Hades is begging Hercules to put in a good word for him to Zeus (just before Hercules punches him into the River Styx, as mentioned above), Nik suggested that James Woods ad-lib the line, "This was my destiny, I had a DREAM in the WORKS." Get it?
James recorded it (then added "I'm sorry Jeffrey, they made me say it..."), and Nik begged Ron and John to include the line in the movie just for the upcoming screening of it that Michael Eisner was going to watch, but alas, they were too afraid to do it.
29) Here's another interesting story from Nik - during early publicity for another Disney film, 2008's Bolt, Nik noticed that the teaser poster - this one here...
...looked a lot like the teaser poster for Hercules.
When no one was looking, Nik put up the Hercules poster right next to the Bolt poster that was hanging up in the studio foyer. Within a couple of hours, it was taken down.
30) In the 2000s, you could find a stage adaptation of the movie on two of the Disney Cruise ships (the Disney Magic and the Disney Wonder, specifically). It was called Hercules: The Muse-ical. You can find videos of the show on YouTube, it really must be seen to be believed.
31) Finally, we have to talk about just how much promotion there was for the film. First of all, they had something called a "Hercules Mega Mall Tour", which was described online as a "20-city traveling show" featuring a stage show, a miniature carousel, a carnival, an animation workshop where visitors could learn how to draw Hercules, and even a sneak peek at the film. I don't think even Frozen was promoted with a gigantic touring mini-amusement park.
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This ALSO got a t-shirt. |
In addition, to celebrate the film's premiere Disney sent their beloved Main Street Electrical Parade to New York City - with several new Hercules-themed floats among the usual ones - for a special one-night-only performance.
And then there was the weekend upon which the actual premiere, also held in New York City, took place. Aside from the parade there were also dancers, jugglers, and something called the "Hercules Forum of Fun" at Chelsea Piers. Then the next morning there was a stage show called "The Hercules Summer Spectacular" at the New Amsterdam Theatre.
Not bad for a movie that Disney rarely acknowledges nowadays, huh?
Sources:
- http://web.archive.org/web/20131219065443/http://howardashman.com/blog/john-musker-question-countdown-3/
- Nik Ranieri's FaceBook page